IF U R CONSIDERING B5 THEN READ THIS POST...

[Solomio]

Mickey,
GOOD NEWS!!!
You may be able to avoid hair loss while taking mega doses of b5 by taking just 100mg of b6 and 30mg to 75mg of zinc at the same time as you are mega dosing on the b5.

Previously we had thought that it was the Biotin in the B complex that helped prevent hair loss while taking mega doses of b5 but now it makes more sense that it was the b6 in the complex that was doing the job because b5 regulates hormones in the body. That is what the study on b5 and aging is all about. B5 stops excessive Cortisol production and Cortisol is a major hormone in the body. It makes sense that b5 would also be closely tied into the production and handling of sex hormones in the body as well as other body hormones.

I have read that the combo of zinc and b6 blocks DHT .

DHT is a hormone made from Testosterone.

Even small normal doses of Testosterone, like those that are in normal female bodies, can be converted into DHT.

DHT is what causes hair loss (male pattern baldness) in men mostly as they age, and DHT causes SOME cases of acne mainly in women who have something wrong with how their bodies handle the small amount of Testosterone they normally have in their bodies.

The balding problem, that was mainly a problem of men as they age, is showing up in SOME people who take mega doses of b5. This is as we already discussed in the other thread on b5. B5 stops excessive Cortisol and Cortisol is a hormone. This is a 'given' that is being studied now in older people to help prevent many diseases that happen to older people. These diseases include harding of the arteries and heart disease. Therefore we already know that b5 has an influence on hormones in the body.

Some people experience hair loss while on b5 and hair loss in men is triggered by the hormone DHT. Also, one of our posters is experiencing menopause symptoms, hot flashes and sweats, while she is on mega doses of b5. Symptoms of menopause are related to the stopage of female hormones in women. Perhaps this low dose of b6 will also help to regulate the symptoms of memopause while a woman is taking mega doses of b5?

My goodness, I am now wondering if zinc and low doses of b6 will somehow regulate 'hot flashes' and 'sweats' in older women who are going through 'true menopause'?????

HERE IS SOMETHING I HAVE OBSERVED OVER THE YEARS that ties into this information on DHT, and its ability to cause acne in women:
Often when women are carrying male babies they will have acne just while they are pregnant. If they had some very mild acne before they got pregnant the acne goes crazy while they are carrying the baby. I have seen this myself so now I have an explanation as to WHY this happens mostly when a woman is carrying a male child but does NOT usually happen when a woman is carrying a female child.

You know that a baby and the host mother exchange blood. That is how the baby survives and grows inside the mother. It is this exchange that also contains small amounts of the male hormone, Testosterone, which is responsible for the male child's sexual development. This very small amount of extra Testosterone is converted into DHT perhaps because of other hormones that are present when a woman is pregnant, which triggers the mother's acne while she is carrying the child.

I HAVE SEEN THIS WITH SOME WOMEN BUT NOT WITH ALL WOMEN so having a male child does NOT automatically mean that a woman is going to get acne while she is pregnant.

Solomio
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[Solomio]

kamal and R.K. I hope you read this post...
Solomio
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[marian]

great information!!!
thanks!

[jimzushi]

[Solomio]

jimzushi,

[mickeyinluv]

SOLOMIO! Thanks A BUNCH!! sorry it took me a while to write back, I'm thinking if I should start back with B5 or not, 'coz I quit the B5 about 2 weeks ago.... I dunno what to do 'coz I was clear all this time but suddenly got 3-4 little bumps on my face (but THANK GOD they're not cysts though!) pheww!! but, atleast now I know about this. so if I do wanna start back up with B5 (which I may), I'll take the 100mg of B6....now, I'm already taking zinc of 45 mg (total, from optizinc = 30mg and my multivitamin gives me 15 mg)....more then 30 mg like u suggested, that should b ok though right?

I have an odd question for u though, so the combo of B6 and zinc helps to block the DHT, well so if I'm taking these in conjunction with B5 (to prevent hair loss), would it decrease the healing property of Zinc in general?? 'coz this Zinc has really helped me since I started taking it (started 4 weeks ago)....this is prolly a dumb question, hehe! thanks again!!
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[mickeyinluv]

Solomio and others!! Need your help

Please tell me what you think of taking B5...and for a long time that is...lol!! I know (For sure) that I won't be outgrowing my acne any time soon (as my mom and both of my sisters have it...in fact, my mom had it well into her 30's and 40's...and still has some skin problems in her 50's. My older sis also has it in her 30's). So, I know I'll have to deal with this for a long time.....My main problem now is that this diet is helping but not clearing me all the way.....so I was considering B5, but wanted to know what ppl thought if I took it for the rest of my life! HAHA.... but I plan to stick to my diet even while I'm on B5...on the same note, I dont want to take B5 unless I'm sure that it's not bad....

I had a question in regards to B5, does this mess up our liver?? the reason I ask is because the megadosing of it (I'm sure) puts some kind of pressure on the liver, wouldn't it?? thus, wouldn't it mess it up a bit in the way it works in general??

Any other advice?? thnx a bunch in advance!
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[Kamal]

hey... i thought their were NO side effects of B5???

ive NEVER read that B5 can cause hair loss!!! Even when i asked people on this forum before i started taking B5 no-one mentioned it.


Like Mickey i am becoming very worried about the effects of takin all these vitamins and minerals. People in this forum are takin loads of vitamins a day and some on high doses. People are recommending every vitamin "under the sun" as a cure for acne and for hope of clear skin.

Lately vitamin E and C have also been recomended. Id advise anyone thinking about takin vitamins to take as few as possible. And lookup as much info as u can before takin anything.

[Kamal]

bump. Solomio??

[Kamal]

This site shows one side effect someone suffered from B5.

[url] http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/acne/71477.html [/url]


...OK, s/he should have been takin Vitamin B-Complex and maybe a multi vitamin if she had any sense. but some people just think taking B5 on its own will cure there acne... i think this shows that it wont.

[Solomio]

[Solomio]

Kamal,
I just read the link on B5 that you posted.
It did not surprise me at all as it makes a ton of sense that when you take the B's separately you cause a deficiency in the other B's. That person was lucky they did not experience a complete physical collapse or lose a lot of hair!

People have been posting, on this forum, for some time now that they have been experiencing extreme tiredness from taking mega doses of B5. That is because the mega doses of B5 lower Cortisol to a level that is TOO LOW! Also, I am sure I have read where some people have experienced hair loss from not taking the full B Complex along with the mega dose of B5.

You really need to post that web link you posted here on the Absolute acne board where all the B5 hype started! I will warn you beforehand that you will be criticized for posting this info but in the long run you may help some other people out.

Also, there is another board dedicated to B5 exclusively that originates from Australia, and is hosted by a medical student who goes by the name of radiographer...I think you may find a link to it on the Absolute board.

As I have said in the past, and I was been severely criticized for saying it back then, you need to know more about a supplement BEFORE you mega dose on it, and then if you proceed with taking the mega dose then at least you know what you are getting into.
Solomio
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[Hawk]

Solomio, sorry your info is a bit unclear for me. Could you explain to me a bit more detailed how B5 and testosterone/DHT are related? Are you saying that a high dose of B5 raises testosterone levels? (maybe you have some references to websites/studies?)

I have experienced hairloss probably because of B5. I have used a multivitamine instead of a B-complex (yes I know, stupid of me). This multivitamine contained about 200mcg biotin and 1.5mg B6 (and other vits ofcourse). The B5 supplement contained 50mg Optizinc/10gr B5.

Since 10 days ago, I started with B100-complex and since 3 days ago, I added 1mg biotin per day.
I think this 1mg extra biotin has made my face a less oily, so it's probably helping B5 (as is told on some websites). So since 10 days ago, I get about 27mg B6 and I already had some zinc.

One user reported that B5 caused iron deficiency in her body (which can also have influence on hair).

btw, I made a B5 website with links to different sources. Also some info about vitamin deficiency caused by B5. http://www.freewebs.com/krg/b5.html
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[Solomio]

It is a ‘given’ that B5 works on your hormones. If the effect is positive for you then you will NOT EXPERIENCE ANY SIDE EFFECTS! Your skin will clear from taking mega doses of B5.

If the effect of mega doses of B5 is negative on your body then you may experience some short term side effects! Note that the bad effects are really only short term, and when you go off B5 you should return back to normal.

DHT is what is causing your hair to thin wither your hair is thinning from taking mega doses of B5 or if the thinning of your hair is built into your genes.

Consider doing some research on B5 and the relationship to how this 'vitamin' affects your hormones, which by the way includes your 'sex' hormones, and consider doing some research on the relationship between B5 and B6 and how B6 combined with zinc will stop the effect of DHT in your body.

Most B complex do not contain enough B6 to cancel out the effect that mega dose of B5 has on the body. I would never recommend that anyone take a B complex that contains high doses of all the B vitamins because I know of one person who had a negative effect from taking the 100mg B complex mainly because of the high niacin content.

When you combine a high niacin dose with fish oils (mainly from mackeral, sardines and anchovies), which many people are already taking, plus certain antioxidants that are present in red wine you set yourself up for uric acid crystals to be deposited in your muscles. This is a very painful condition and is NOT an easy one to diagnose for most doctors because it can happen all through the body. So this is why it is best to avoid very high dosing on B complex.

Remember that NOT EVERYONE is affected by DHT!
That is WHY only some people are affected...only SOME guys go bald and only SOME women lose their hair...some women get acne from the effect that even a normal, small amount of DHT has on their bodies.

It is true that BIOTIN is THE vitamin for hair but if you are SENSITIVE to DHT you will STILL GET thinning hair unless you CANCEL out the effect that DHT is having on your body.

Biotin will NOT cancel out the effect of DHT unless I have missed this information?

It is very good that mega dosing of B5 is working for some people to get rid of acne but I suspect that B5 is working for these people BECAUSE their acne has a ROOT cause that is embedded in how their hormones affect their bodies.

The DHT sensitivity factor is what I am referring to.

When I get some time I will do more research myself on this as I am very interested in this subject especially when so many people, both male and female, are taking mega doses of B5.

Remember that B5 also regulates how much Cortisol your bodies releases into your blood.

Remember again that Cortisol is just another HORMONE that your bodies manufacturer!

HORMONES ARE HORMONES...some regulate stress and other functions, and some HORMONES regulate the sex drive. Remember too that we had a poster a couple of months ago tell use that she was experiencing night sweats and hot flashes WHILE she was on mega doses of B5. These body functions are directly related to hormonal activity in her body. Night sweats and hot flashes are what happens when a woman goes into menopause. HORMONES again!

Most people seem to NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THEIR HORMONES WHILE THEY ARE ON B5 THERAPY. It just helps for everyone to know BEFORE they go on mega doses of B5 what some of the side effects CAN BE.

This does NOT MEAN that you will have any side effects.

When you do any searching on the web on B5 include B6 and include age related research. Go for sites that are .edu or .gov or are connected to research institutes that are not mainly interested in selling you any particular vitamin. You need to get your information from people who are not particularly interested in selling you something. This is not to say that some sites that are selling a product is not telling the truth but there are times when a business will ‘stretch’ the truth a bit just to make a ton of money.

There is a great deal of research on B5 and B6 on middle age people going on today.
It seems to have started with B5, and its ability to cut down on Cortisol. This information came out of LIFE EXTENSION studies. This is an area to do your research...yes, you can learn a lot about your acne from these studies that are being done on middle age people!

Cortisol is considered the 'killer' hormone mainly because when we are 20 years old we recover from 'stressful' events very quickly like in a half hour. That means the EXCESSIVE Cortisol clears out of our blood within a half hour, and we return to ‘normal.’ But when we are 50 years old it takes a full day for the body to get over a 'stressful' event; meaning that it takes a full day for blood Cortisol to return to ‘normal’ levels. (Remember that B5 has a direct effect on lowering Cortisol)
That means the Cortisol stays in the blood for this period of time. We know these facts from doing blood tests on various individuals and monitoring the Cortisol levels in their blood during stress and after stress.

So the conclusion is that Cortisol, when the level stays TOO HIGH in the blood for a longer period of time, is a directly related factor along with other factors caused by older age, to the greater number of strokes and heart attacks in older people. This also helps to explain why OLDER PEOPLE OFTEN GAIN TOO MUCH WEIGHT!

B5 may be what the doctor is going to order, sometime in the future, for older people to PREVENT many heart attacks and strokes. B5 is more than just a water-soluble vitamin, and for MOST PEOPLE it will NOT have any adverse effect. BUT FOR SOME PEOPLE it will affect their hormones in a negative manner, this is where the sleepy effect comes from and this is where the hot flashes and the thinning hair comes from. The really good news is that if B5 does cause you some side effects they will stop once you stop taking the B5. I have not heard of a single person having the side effects stay with them once they stopped taking mega doses B5.

I hope this is a bit clearer now on how B5 can cause your hair to thin.

Solomio
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